Tuesday, July 23, 2013

It Now Takes NC Teachers 19 Years to Reach McDonald's Pay

With the new cuts to education in NC, there's no wonder that it's tough finding quality teachers to fill positions.

As demonstrated below it takes a teacher with a bachelor's degree nearly 19 years just to reach the pay of a McDonald's store manager.


  1. The supply of teachers is higher than the supply of capable restaurant managers. Classic Supply and Demand is undoubtedly a chapter of the story but no where near the entire story.

    While interesting, comparing the two isn't exactly relevant. The amount of training and/or education, i.e. bachelor degree, required to be a Manager at McDonalds is completely overlooked.

    You're leaving out what someone has to do to become a "McDonalds Manager" which is undoubtedly work several years at the store with minimum wage and, now, with less than 30 hours a week. There is also a Bachelor Degree route where one can come in with an education and expedite their way to Manager.

    But in all honesty...McDonalds does not have to deal with public unions which seriously hampers your ability to provide an economic incentive.

    Unions do not create wealth they consume it and such they bring down the level of consumption available for everyone involved.

    1. Interesting though, Robby... except you are forgetting one simple thing:

      Teachers provide an essential service. McDonalds Managers help to provide a non-essential and health degrading service.

      The level of responsibility for a McDs Manager ends at the customer getting their low-quality food, and making a profit. Teachers are relied upon to educate an entire generation of students who will hopefully go on to do better things than Manage a McDonalds.

      Not everything comes down to supply and demand. The supply of teachers comes from young people wanting to be a positive influence in this world by taking a selfless job. What happens if, suddenly, the only people who want to be teachers are those who can't think of anything else to do? How will the next generation be educated?

      Lastly, unions... Really? You are boiling the fact that Teachers are underpaid and get paid less-and-less each time a Republican takes office to unions? I admit they have overstepped in certain fields in the past, but fighting for a living wage for those responsible for the future of our country is not an overstep.

      For a group of people who claim to be so obsessed with the economy, its sad to see such a lack of understanding of multi-generational economy.

    2. North Carolina does not allow public unions for teachers, anyway, so...

  2. Correct, it has nothing to do with unions. Supply & demand is part of the answer, but the much more important one is that McDonald's managers don't get two and a half months off during the summer. Once you adjust by 20% to compare salary by time worked, the average teacher makes as much as the average McDonald's manager after seven years. That still sounds like a lot until you factor in what RobbyRillo correctly said about people not simply starting out as a manager in McDonald's.

    If we want to argue that teachers are underpaid, then we need to look at where the grotesque amounts of education spending are going instead (the U.S. spends more by far per capita on public education than any other nation on earth). Are administrators getting too much? Are there too many administrators? Is too much being spent on palatial buildings? I honestly don't know, those are simply my best guesses as to potential culprits. It is disappointingly similar to the military, where defense spending is an unbelievable number and yet only a tiny percentage of it gets to the rank & file.

    1. except.
      1) if teachers worked year round, they'd still need a decade of experience to make the same as a McDonald's manager. 2) there is a significant difference between the 7:30-3:30 contracted hours and the additional afternoons, nights, and weekends it takes to prep for and run a classroom. 3) in North Carolina, teachers have 10 vacation days and 6 paid holidays. They're required to take those vacation days during Christmas and spring breaks to coincide with student breaks. 4) there are approximately 10 mandatory and 5 optional teacher work days where teachers are required to show up and students are not. If teachers do not show up on these days, it costs them a personal/sick day. 5) sick days near vacations require doctors notes. 6) personal days in most districts require the absent teacher pay the cost of the substitute for their classroom 7) if teachers do want to work summers, they have to find a second job for that income. It's not all sunshine and daisies. Despite having 8 weeks "off", they still need to put food on the table. 8) almost all continuing education classes and credits are offered during their "off" summers. They're required to take a minimum of 10 CE units to maintain their certification. 9) teachers in North Carolina are non-union. Public sector unions are illegal here. They have shitty $30 co-pays and overpriced dental like everyone else. The cost of adding other family members to your plan is in the hundreds of dollars per month. For a family of four, its easily above $500 month before copays and deductibles.

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    3. #1) No, they wouldn't. Seven years don't add up to a decade, and again, even that is while ignoring that McDonald's employees don't just start out as managers right away.

      #2) Iyou think that the fast food manager doesn't also have additional responsibilities that take them beyond the eight hour work day then you have no clue about that kind of job.

      #3) 10 vacation days is all new McDonald's managers get either, while they do not get off for holidays.

      #4) There are no optional work days for non-teachers. A McDonald's manager has to work substantially more days than a teacher during the year even without considering summer vacation.

      #5, #6, #7, #8, & #9) You're pointing out circumstances that any non-teacher has to deal with as well. Both of my parents were 30+ year public school teachers, so I am well aware of what that job entails. It's a frustrating profession for a variety of reasons, but so are most jobs. If you don't think that managing a fast food place is an intensely stressful environment fraught with myriad difficulties then you should talk to some people who work at one. It's not easy either.

  3. education is by anyone's definition, except hard-core libertarians a merit good with profound positive externalities. junk food is not a merit good and has negative externalities such as obesity and diabetes. basically, teachers should be paid much more.

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